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  Generation Change

  by greenie in

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  hi all,.

  i've heard several reference to the "generation change.

  " some of you have said they've revised this several times, including in 1995. onthewayout, i've heard you mention it a couple of times.. can anyone explain to me what this is, or where to find more information on it?.

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  Trevor Scott

  The short version is that in 1995 they disconnected "this generation" (Matt 24:34) from being associated with people who were alive in 1914.
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  The most inappropriate remarks from Jehovahs Witnesses

  by jambon1 in

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  i have a few which still either anger me, make me sad or just make me grateful that i am no longer one of them.

  1 - "well, everyone is going to die anyway, so if it at armageddon then ce la vie" 2 - "the disater today at the world trade centre is sad, but exciting" 3 - (an elder) "when armageddon happens, i want to be at a window, watching it all".

  sick, sick, sick!

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  Trevor Scott

  When I was in the process of leaving, I had a long talk with a friend who after being unable to answer some of my questions made this statement:

  "You know Trevor, the Bible is a deep book, and they [the Watchtower Society] do my thinking for me."

  No joke.
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  What do you think about this quote from the 2003 District Convention talk "Beware of the Voice of Strangers"?

  by LUKEWARM in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  [23:23] so friends, hypothetically, and i repeat, hypothetically, even if an angel were to come down here and land on this platform, today, at this moment, and to present something to us that didn't fit into the pattern of truth, what should we be ready to do?

  we should be ready to say, " hold on there, that doesn't fit into the pattern, and i am not going to listen to it!

  " yes, even if it were one of jehovah's angels.. .

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  BTT for AE. Couple questions that she must have missed:

  : well they didnt recommend they sell their homes either....they said its a fine way...not recommending is it

  Actually AE, yes indeed they did recommend it. Do you understand what recommend means? No disrespect, but do you understand precisely what the word means?

  Dictionary definition:

  verb (used with object)

  1. to present as worthy of confidence, acceptance, use, etc.; commend; mention favorably: to recommend an applicant for a job; to recommend a book.

  This is exactly what they did. They presented as worthy of confidence, acceptance; they commended; they mentioned favorably.

  So don't say they didn't recommend people sell their homes. K? Cuz that would be lying and I know you wouldn't want to do that.

  So.... was it loving to RECOMMEND brothers sell their homes and then 2 years later embarrass and criticise them for doing it? Yes or No?

  Secondly, if this was "not the kind of thinking that Jesus advised", then why was his FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE recommending it?

  Peace.
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  How much time before U.S. persecution starts?

  by sd-7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was reading barbara anderson's recent entry on free minds, and it made me think--the society's recent maneuvers in real estate, moving things to canada, etc.

  does this mean jws in the u.s. will be facing problems from the government soon?

  if so, is anyone knowledgeable enough to give an educated guess as to how soon this might happen?.

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  I heard it was "imminent"
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  What do you think about this quote from the 2003 District Convention talk "Beware of the Voice of Strangers"?

  by LUKEWARM in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  [23:23] so friends, hypothetically, and i repeat, hypothetically, even if an angel were to come down here and land on this platform, today, at this moment, and to present something to us that didn't fit into the pattern of truth, what should we be ready to do?

  we should be ready to say, " hold on there, that doesn't fit into the pattern, and i am not going to listen to it!

  " yes, even if it were one of jehovah's angels.. .

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  Wow. AE hasn't answered my questions. That's weird.
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  What do you think about this quote from the 2003 District Convention talk "Beware of the Voice of Strangers"?

  by LUKEWARM in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  [23:23] so friends, hypothetically, and i repeat, hypothetically, even if an angel were to come down here and land on this platform, today, at this moment, and to present something to us that didn't fit into the pattern of truth, what should we be ready to do?

  we should be ready to say, " hold on there, that doesn't fit into the pattern, and i am not going to listen to it!

  " yes, even if it were one of jehovah's angels.. .

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  Trevor Scott

  : well they didnt recommend they sell their homes either....they said its a fine way...not recommending is it

  Actually AE, yes indeed they did recommend it. Do you understand what recommend means? No disrespect, but do you understand precisely what the word means?

  Dictionary definition:

  verb (used with object)

  1. to present as worthy of confidence, acceptance, use, etc.; commend; mention favorably: to recommend an applicant for a job; to recommend a book.

  This is exactly what they did. They presented as worthy of confidence, acceptance; they commended; they mentioned favorably.

  So don't say they didn't recommend people sell their homes. K? Cuz that would be lying and I know you wouldn't want to do that.

  So.... was it loving to RECOMMEND brothers sell their homes and then 2 years later embarrass and criticise them for doing it? Yes or No?

  Secondly, if this was "not the kind of thinking that Jesus advised", then why was his FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE recommending it?

  Peace.
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  What do you think about this quote from the 2003 District Convention talk "Beware of the Voice of Strangers"?

  by LUKEWARM in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  [23:23] so friends, hypothetically, and i repeat, hypothetically, even if an angel were to come down here and land on this platform, today, at this moment, and to present something to us that didn't fit into the pattern of truth, what should we be ready to do?

  we should be ready to say, " hold on there, that doesn't fit into the pattern, and i am not going to listen to it!

  " yes, even if it were one of jehovah's angels.. .

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  : Yup....shows love for all

  Hey AE, um, which part of commending someone for selling their home then criticizing (and no doubt embarrassing) them for it 2 years later is LOVING?
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  What do you think about this quote from the 2003 District Convention talk "Beware of the Voice of Strangers"?

  by LUKEWARM in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  [23:23] so friends, hypothetically, and i repeat, hypothetically, even if an angel were to come down here and land on this platform, today, at this moment, and to present something to us that didn't fit into the pattern of truth, what should we be ready to do?

  we should be ready to say, " hold on there, that doesn't fit into the pattern, and i am not going to listen to it!

  " yes, even if it were one of jehovah's angels.. .

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  : We all need more love in the world and the gb give us plenty of that

  Lol! Ae, you're funny! I personally think it was especially loving of the GB in 1974 to recommend selling your home to pioneer in the "short time remaining before the wicked world's end", and then in 1976 (after another Armageddon no-show) to criticise "some" for doing this very sort of thing:

  *** km 5/74 p. 3 How Are You Using Your Life? ***
  Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.

  *** w76 7/15 p. 440 pars. 11-13 A Solid Basis for Confidence ***
  It may be that some who have been serving God have planned their lives according to a mistaken view of just what was to happen on a certain date or in a certain year. They may have, for this reason, put off or neglected things that they otherwise would have cared for. ... Did Jesus mean that we should adjust our financial and secular affairs so that our resources would just carry us to a certain date that we might think marks the end? ... This is not the kind of thinking that Jesus advised.
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  If you had to choose one...

  by PSacramento in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you have to choose one book or letter of the nt that best describes what it is to be a christian, which one would you choose?.

  if you perfer to choose a chapter and verse, that is cool too !.

  of course if you feel that more than one is needed, who am i to argue ?.

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  I always liked Romans 8:38-39:

  For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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  Who Or What Influenced You The Most To Get Out Of The Religion?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for me, i think it was time and the realization of the idiocy of the beliefs and man made doctrines.

  i just couldn't ignore it any longer..

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  For me, it was the lies.

  When I realized the Watchtower Society was outright lying to cover their history of false prophecy I knew immediately they were not the "true religion". Their doctrine was of no consequence. Their lies simply precluded any possibility of them being God's organization TM .

  I documented a number of their lies on my website:

  http://www.geocities.com/thewatchtowerstudy/lies.htm
  http://www.geocities.com/thewatchtowerstudy/honesty.htm